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8:35 am
April 28, 2008
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I thought the “submergent” thing was a joke when i first heard about it, but it is real! Teaching both “Anabaptist Theology” and “Contemporary Church” I had noted there were some striking similarities between the two movements. I am now writing an academic paper on the subject! I’m intrigued by the site.
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9:00 am
April 28, 2008
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What are you exploring in your paper? I definitely see some overlap. In our post-modern, post-colonial world, more and more are realizing that redemptive violence is a myth. I know SO many people interested in the Anabaptist tradition without having had much formal contact with it. For example, I didn't grow up even remotely Mennonite. Yet here I am. The world longs for a robust Anabaptist voice.
Btw, I'm curious…why did you think it was a joke?
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5:46 pm
April 29, 2008
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Gareth
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I thought it was funny because it was just too clever a term that sounded like something an Anabaptist would come up with as a bit of subversive satire. By the way, Christian Century did have a satirical article with the title “submergent church” in the spring of 07.
My working title is “Strange bedfellows prophecy: How Anabaptist theology and the emerging church address the problem of individualism in believers churches.” A common summary of 16th century Anabaptist theological themes is threefold: 1. seeking to live in the way of Jesus is the essence of faith, 2. it is lived in voluntary community, 3. the way of peace is central to this life. Gibbs & Bolger in a recent book looking at the emerging church have a very similar threefold summary: 1. they seek to live in the way of Jesus, 2. in community, 3. declaring all of life sacred. When i saw this similarity I wanted to explore it some more.
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6:09 pm
April 29, 2008
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The name was intended to be a little satirical. In fact, the original logo had a little leaf (based upon the Emergent Village logo, but inverted) being spashed into water:
 Most people never catch the joke. In fact, we've had some folks think that we're simply a sub-group of Emergent Village. We're having a gathering of a few planners in July to explore how we can take the network a step forward. Our goal is to connect existing groups and people that are already exploring the issues on which we're focused rather than to try to get too much started ourselves. I think we might discuss at that meeting whether or not the name suits us.
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only one possible response here.. if images will display
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Ok.. not. Great BORG poster will not show up but still “resistance is futile!”
Its intriguing to me.. as an anabaptist type who bemoans the huge influence of fundamentalism on anabaptist theology and practice in the west in the past 100 years… that the whole new monastic direction.. and perhaps the synergism of the four streams SINE identifies in his latest book.. moves toward a recovery of the practice of covenant community. Hugely hopeful, I think, particularly if it combines the missional energy of the original movement.
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12:48 pm
May 7, 2008
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12:52 pm
May 7, 2008
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shawn
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admin said:
The name was intended to be a little satirical. In fact, the original logo had a little leaf (based upon the Emergent Village logo, but inverted) being spashed into water:
Most people never catch the joke. In fact, we've had some folks think that we're simply a sub-group of Emergent Village. We're having a gathering of a few planners in July to explore how we can take the network a step forward. Our goal is to connect existing groups and people that are already exploring the issues on which we're focused rather than to try to get too much started ourselves. I think we might discuss at that meeting whether or not the name suits us.
Mark, you have no idea how that statement just made my day. I think
it's quite silly to have all these little subgroups running around, ala
anglimergent, presbymergent, etc. I hope our Anabaptist theology and
our own desire to engage postmodernity and culture carries us towards a
unique expression of ecclesiology NOT burdened by the theological and
practical baggage of the emergent conversaiton. I don't want to be a
subgroup. We have to rich a heritage for that … So, yeah, a name change
would be good if people are auto aligining this with emergent. That's
limiting. I'd pass on it, to be perfectly honest.
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1:35 am
May 9, 2008
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Colin Godwin
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Gareth said:
I thought it was funny because it was just too clever a term that sounded like something an Anabaptist would come up with as a bit of subversive satire. By the way, Christian Century did have a satirical article with the title “submergent church” in the spring of 07.
My working title is “Strange bedfellows prophecy: How Anabaptist theology and the emerging church address the problem of individualism in believers churches.” A common summary of 16th century Anabaptist theological themes is threefold: 1. seeking to live in the way of Jesus is the essence of faith, 2. it is lived in voluntary community, 3. the way of peace is central to this life. Gibbs & Bolger in a recent book looking at the emerging church have a very similar threefold summary: 1. they seek to live in the way of Jesus, 2. in community, 3. declaring all of life sacred. When i saw this similarity I wanted to explore it some more.
Hi Gareth,
I am working on a doctoral dissertation looking at potential points of connection between church planting in Western Europe and Anabaptist missiology. If you want to converse with me, drop me a line at colingodwin@skynet.be
If the administrator would be kind enough to let Gareth know I am interested in personal communication, I would be grateful.
Cheers to all,
Colin Godwin
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